Kelly,
Thank you for your post. There is no reason to say we are
unhappy with TSM. Since I inherited this environment about a year ago,
due to lots of hardware and software version upgrades, and help from the
Windows and AIX teams, our daily backup completion status (neither
missed nor failed)has gone from 95% to 99%. That is less than 10 out of
the ~1000 clients daily, which is quite good by industry standards.
No, according to management, cost is the driving factor. The
proposals between IBM and it's closest competitor are, over a total
three year cost, umpteen thousand dollars apart (I won't say the exact
figure). It is enough to make everybody take notice.
Of course, no one has figured in the cost of conversion, both in
software and manpower. That will be huge. Not to mention the huge
distraction and lost opportunity cost and risk of outages that could
result.\ I agree that IBM ought to go back and sharpen their
pencil, and bargain away this threat to their territory.
Best Regards,
John D. Schneider
Email: schnjd AT stlo.mercy DOT net
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Kelly Lipp
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:01 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM vs. Legato Networker Comparison
And besides cost, is there any apparent technical reason to undertake
such a thing in the first place? I.e., are you or your management in
some way unhappy with the backup processing? Again, except for the
cost?
I also think there is a golden opportunity to work with your current
backup vendor to get the cost for you inline with what the proposed
competition is offering. Doing this may forestall the entire rock fetch
you've been asked to undertake.
The real funny thing is that at the end of the day, the cost (when done
over a period of years rather than a single purchase) will be nearly
identical no matter which vendor you choose. But you will have been
through the rock fetch, and perhaps a painful migration only to learn
this simple fact. If only management (who should know better than to
waste valuable time and money) understood this before sending us poor
technical slobs on the mission...
Kelly J. Lipp
VP Manufacturing & CTO
STORServer, Inc.
485-B Elkton Drive
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
719-266-8777
lipp AT storserver DOT com
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Bell, Charles (Chip)
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:18 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM vs. Legato Networker Comparison
Interesting. We are doing the same thing, but with multiple vendors, for
the EXACT same reason you are. We are generating a single RFI that we
will send to each vendor, and get our comparison that way. Not done yet,
and I'm not looking forward to it. I like TSM as a product, and I'm not
looking forward to a possible migration, 'cause like you said, there
will be a cost associated with it (more media/drives?, hardware, fill in
the blank).
We are supposed to be talking with EMC soon, and have already talked to
CommVault, BakBone, Syncsort, and Symantec.
Good luck with that. :)
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Schneider, John
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:55 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] TSM vs. Legato Networker Comparison
Greetings,
We have been a TSM shop for many years, but EMC came to our
management with a proposal to replace our TSM licenses with Legato
Networker, at a better price than what we are paying for TSM today. This
came right on the heels of paying our large TSM license bill, and so it
got management's attention.
We have an infrastructure of 15 TSM servers and about 1000
clients, so this would be a large and painful migration. It would also
require a great deal of new hardware and consultant costs during the
migration, which would detract from the cost savings.
So instead of jumping from one backup product to another based
on price alone, we have been asked to do an evaluation between the two
products. Do any of you have any feature comparisons between the two
products that would give me a head start?
Best Regards,
John D. Schneider
Email: schnjd AT stlo.mercy DOT net
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