Ok, this will be my last. Having never seen what we were paying for
licences you can obviously come to the conclusion you have. I can't and
won't post that info but I have data to prove it. I can tell you that
IBM has been drooling waiting for our contract to expire I'm sure. The
past year has seen some interesting things IBM has tried to do here.
Can't get into detail so let's just say there has been a lot of angry
people. So when I say that our costs have gone up that's an
understatement. 
 
Geoff Gill 
TSM Administrator 
PeopleSoft Sr. Systems Administrator 
SAIC M/S-G1b 
(858)826-4062 
Email: geoffrey.l.gill AT saic DOT com 

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EDU] On
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:30 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4

Gill, Geoffrey L. wrote:
> Just "one" of my pet peves with this product. I just went through this

> with someone and it looks to me like the changes that were made since 
> the last time have dramatically increased the cost here. Having to 
> contact someone to figure out pricing makes no sense when you can find

> pricing for most anything else you want on the internet. Oh sure, I 
> would expect that you need to contact someone to get "better pricing"
> before you buy, but to not have a way to at least figure out something

> on your own is unsatisfactory to me.
>


The only change I've seen is that multi-core CPU's are actually cheaper
that in the old model (100 points for 2 x86 cores rather than 2
lisences, even better for UltraSPARC T1), so how you manage to increase
cost beats me. Since 100 points are (more or less) the same as 1
license, I expect to pay less, not more.

Since IBM has some interesting volume discounts, nobody ever pays
list-prices. Of course we all know or discount... I estemate investments
in new licenses on the cost for last year, not to hard. And yes, I only
buy new licenses once a year, doing so more often is a PITA ;-)

>
>
> Geoff Gill
> TSM Administrator
> PeopleSoft Sr. Systems Administrator
> SAIC M/S-G1b
> (858)826-4062
> Email: geoffrey.l.gill AT saic DOT com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-adsm-l AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU [mailto:owner-adsm-l AT VM.MARIST DOT 
> EDU] 
> On Behalf Of David Longo
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4
>
> I second the motion, Steve!
>
> TSM should be able to track/mange the license scheme.
> Or they should provide an additional tool to do it - without charging 
> you $100K for the tool!
>
>
>
> David B. Longo
> System Administrator
> Health First, Inc.
> 3300 Fiske Blvd.
> Rockledge, FL 32955-4305
> PH      321.434.5536
> Pager  321.634.8230
> Fax:    321.434.5509
> david.longo AT health-first DOT org
>
>
>>>> Steven Harris <steve AT STEVENHARRIS DOT INFO> 2/6/2007 7:11 PM >>>
> Hi All,
>
> I was looking at the TSM 5.4 announcement letter and notice that 5.4 
> now attracts "Processor Value Unit" pricing.  The (AP) announcement 
> letter points you to the PVU announcement letter AP06-0154, which 
> contains a lot of justification and not much else.  It in turn points 
> you to a website for detailed information - but this is just the 
> passport advantage portal.
>
> I have a few concerns.
> First, PVU pricing may mean an effective price rise, although it is 
> hard to tell without detailed information. Certainly its a change.
> Second, why is it so hard to find definitive information? This should 
> be widely published on a publicly available website.
> Third, yet again the administrative burden of tracking licencing 
> requires detailed hardware information to be maintained and correlated

> with the TSM usage.  Again, the product has not been enhanced to 
> automatically collect and maintain  this information, providing a 
> significant overhead for administrators and a lack of assurance that
> licencing is *ever* correct.   Sure IBM has the right to change their
> licencing model, but they should also provide tools to do the job 
> efficiently and effectively and provide an audit function to allow 
> customers to know they are correctly licensed.
>
> If anyone has been able to find the PVU detail could they please post 
> it for those of us who don't have access to Passport Advantage?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve.
>
> Steven Harris
> AIX and TSM Admin, Brisbane Australia


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