I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Please, IBM, document the new admin api and open it up to us so we
can write out own tools in PHP, perl, Erlang or whatever else we
want.  It will allow *us* to develop the interfaces *we* need, and as
you must maintain the API for the ISC anyway it will cost next to
nothing.

Steven Harris

AIX and TSM Administrator
Brisbane Australia

On 04/03/2006, at 5:28 AM, Richard Mochnaczewski wrote:

I had some problems with the setup of the Admin Console. I placed a
call with IBM, and solved it and called back to cancel the ticket.
An IBM support tech called me back asking me if every was OK and I
told him that I was able to solve the problem myself. I asked him
what sort of feedback he was getting on the new Admin Console, and
without hestitation he blurted out "Not good!". He also told me
that they plan on getting rid of the Admin Console in TSM 5.4 and
just sticking with the ISC .

Thanks for making me learn something only to make it obsolete in
the near future,

Rich

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As of now we don't use the new gui either, but we know we have to,
sooner
or later.

So, I got it installed on our test system without much problem,
but, before
I could
install and use it on our  production server I had to get https
working.

Now, I had the original version of the gui running with https, so
I've been
through this before (we
got it working, looked at the gui, then gave up on it).  So I
start . . . .
I follow the instructions in the AIX manual, run into
problems, open up a support call, and find out that the AIX manual
has bad
instructions and that
the most recent/correct instructions are in the Linux manual.
Ok . . . run
through thses instructions
and run into problems.  I search on the support site and find a
newer set
of install instructions that
correct the procedure in the manual.  Ok . . . run through
them . . . .it
worked, somewhat.  You could
access the gui via https but got pop up messages on every display
about
security issues, and,
attempting to shut ISC down would give errors.  Oh well, open another
support call . . . find out
that the procedure on the web site is wrong and they are working on
a new
procedure.  They
sent me this procedure . . . it worked . . .all is well.

Let's see, a procedure that is different in different platform
manuals, a
procedure on the
support web site that is new and corrected but still wrong, and a
final
procedure that did
work.

To install on production I cut corners . . .I didn't want to go
through the
https setup again.  So
I installed ISC on the production server, then copied the /opt/IBM/
IBM601
directory structure
from test server to production server, overlaying the production
servers
version.

WHAT a PAIN.

THis gui is a classic instance of something bad, that everyone
knows is bad
(including IBM), but it
has so much momentum that it can't be stopped.  And I'm afraid it's
going
to cause a wreck for IBM.
I used to talk up TSM to everyone I could . . . .I no longer do
that.  Now
I tell them you will spend more
time/resources on the GUI than the product itself, and that's just
plain
wrong.  Please note, I'm not
really a fan of the old gui, and I like some of the things they try
and do
in the new gui, but the
implementation is just bad.

Letting off steam . . . . . .

Rick




             Zoltan
             Forray/AC/VCU

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Or as I like to recommend, look at TSMManager (http://
www.tsmmanager.com -
free trial). I have been using it for more than a year and am a
very happy
customer. My operations staff could not function without it.  The
vendor
is constantly adding new features (many that I have asked for, such as
vault slot management (i.e. like CA-1 for you MF folks !) that have
greatly simplified my TSM life/duties.

I have a co-TSM-worker who went to a TSM class that focused heavily on
using the ISC for everything (it was an IBM class, after all). When
he got
back, he was very gung-ho about it and said he understood it much
better.
So I told him to go ahead and install the latest and get it
working. After
about 3-weeks, he was so annoyed with it, he killed it off again
(we have
tried this 3-times).




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True, or better yet, brush up on the command line knowledge.

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But the retro-fitted web gui  is only suppose to be available as a
transition tool.  Get used to the Admin Center.

boutilpj AT EDNET.NS DOT CA 3/2/2006 12:52:30 PM >>>

Richard Mochnaczewski wrote:

Hi Everybody,

I remember reading on the list that IBM has made available a web gui

for TSM 5.3 which is unsupported. I've been testing the new Admin
Center
and I'm less than enthused about the interface. Where can I
download it
?

Rich

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tivoli-storage-management/tools



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