Not to niggle here but NDMP only supports FULL and DIFFERENTIAL backup, not
INCREMENTAL. Also, make sure that your NDMP versions are the same on both
Tivoli and your NetApp device. Tivoli supports version 3. The NetApp command
is ndmpd version 3.

Joni: Does your "full backup of our NAS on Sunday" run in its own storage
pool. If it does then it should not interfere with anything else.

We have two storage pools (one for onsite, one for offsite) that are set to
retain 60 versions (approx. 2 months). We do a full backup monthly on a
weekend day and then run differentials on weekdays. This allows us to have
30 days of backups from any given point. After 60 days everything goes away
on its own. I have rudimentary scripts to automate some of this. Email me if
you wish.

Terry McColgan
Help Desk Support Specialist
Tivoli Storage Manager Specialist

Ontario College of Teachers
121 Bloor Street East, Floor 6
Toronto, Ontario
M4W 3M5

tmccolgan AT oct.on DOT ca
416-961-8800    ext. 270

"Go ahead... backup."




-----Original Message-----
From:   Joni Moyer [mailto:joni.moyer AT HIGHMARK DOT COM]
Sent:   Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:15 PM
To:     ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject:        Re: NetApp NAS NDMP Data

Hi Terry!

That is exactly what I wanted to do!  I wanted to do an initial full backup
and then do incrementals and keep them all onsite.  I then wanted to do a
full backup of our NAS on Sunday, but how do you do yours?  I thought that
if I did a full, selective, backup on Sunday that would interfere with the
other backups I would want to keep onsite for regular restore purposes?
Any thoughts are appeciated!  Thanks!

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Joni Moyer
Highmark
Storage Systems
Work:(717)302-6603
Fax:(717)302-5974
joni.moyer AT highmark DOT com
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Hello; I have some experience with NDMP on a NetApp to Tivoli system. To
the
best of my knowledge, NDMP does not support archiving. It supports FULL and
DIFFERENTIAL backups only. Using the TOC I am able to do file level
restores
without a problem. Given the limitations on NDMP (no DRM ...), we scripted
a
system that  has ONSITE and OFFSITE pools where the ONSITE pools stay in
the
library and the OFFSITE pools are ejected from the library (IBM 3583)
automatically to be stored offsite. Then, by running some SELECT statements
in MS excel we are able to determine when to bring the empties back. Given
the horror stories I've been reading about YSM 5.3 I think we'll just stick
to 5.2.x.x, thanks. - t

 -----Original Message-----
From:              Ben Bullock [mailto:bbullock AT MICRON DOT COM]
Sent:        Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:16 PM
To:          ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject:           Re: NetApp NAS NDMP Data

             Hmm, but can that be done through the NDMP methodology of
backup? I don't think so. You only really have a "backup" method, not an
"archive" with NDMP. I think....

             We are just dipping our toes in NDMP, so I'm not an expert,
but
it looks like for that data what we want to keep longer than just DR
purposes, we will need to archive it though an NFS mount, especially
where there are a few files in a whole qtree that you want kept forever
but the rest only for 30 days.

             NDMP just lacks that granularity, especially at the file
level.
There is a 'virtualfsmapping' method in TSM 5.3 that can get you to the
directory level, so that may work if directory level is granular enough
for you.

Ben


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Stapleton, Mark
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:04 AM
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Iain Barnetson
>I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what I could do to
>get a series of Monthly full backups of the NAS nodes?

Easy. Use archives, not backups, for your monthlies. Set your archive
expiration to whatever timeframe is appropriate for your business needs.

--
Mark Stapleton (stapleton AT berbee DOT com)
Office 262.521.5627