Martha,

I think I speak not only for myself but for others who subscribe to this
List, that we a deeply in your debt for putting this List together, and
keeping it up and stable for our (ADSM'ers) use....So I think "THANKS"
are in order.......Thanks a lot and keep up the excellent work...

Tony Sinclair
ADSM Admin
Snohomish PUD
tjsinclair AT snopud DOT com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martha McConaghy [SMTP:URMM AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:39 PM
> To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject:      ADSM-L and newgroups
>
> This issue has taken up a lot of space on the list and I would like to
> put it to rest once and for all.
>
> I started this list a number of years ago because I, like all of you,
> was struggling with ADSM and its concepts.  I figured that if we could
> share our experiences and ideas, it would help all of us.  At the
> time,
> of course, I had no idea how much the list would grow or how vital it
> would
> become to so many.  Although I don't work with ADSM much anymore, I
> have
> continued to run the list simply because all of you seem to find it of
> value.  If a time comes when ADSM-L is nolonger needed, then it would
> go away.
>
> I, personally, have a strong dislike for news readers and rarely use
> one.
> Call me a dinasour, but I don't even read my e-mail via a PC.  (I've
> never
> found a PC package that broke up my incoming mail the way I liked.)  I
> have
> no desire to start a newsgroup for ADSM-L, particularly if it meant
> more
> work for me.  The list and the resources it uses are provided by
> Marist as
> a service to the Internet community.  Neither Marist nor myself are
> compensated
> in anyway for this service.  I mention this only because I know some
> people
> assume that IBM, AOL or some other for-profit organization pays for
> it.
>
> As has already been mentioned, there are various methods of
> getting the ADSM-L postings other than direct e-mail (digest, web,
> etc.).
> The logs are also available via anonymous FTP, if you are so inclined.
> Newsgroups have inherent problems which have also been mentioned.  The
> fact
> that ADSM-L is a private LISTSERV list has ensured that we have
> remained
> spam-free, which cannot be said of many other lists.
>
> My personal feelings aside, there are a number of news feeds that
> subscribe
> to ADSM-L.  These are one-sided, read/only feeds, but I assume they
> work.
> These feeds subscribe to the list just like everyone else, so there is
> little
> I can do to prevent them from joining.  However, they are not
> associated with
> Marist and I'm not responsible for any problems they may have.  The
> drawback
> of using them is that you cannot post to the list.  If all you want to
> do
> is lurk, however, then they work fine.
>
> It is, of course, still a free Internet and I certainly do not have
> sole
> control over the ADSM discussion.  If someone wants to dedicate the
> time and
> space to running an ADSM newsgroup, they are certainly free to do so.
> Let
> people vote with their subscriptions.  If the majority prefer the
> newsgroup
> approach, then ADSM-L will no longer be necessary.
>
> In the meantime, let's not take up anymore list time with this
> discussion.
> ADSM-L will not become a newsgroup.  Should someone start one up, they
> are free to announce it on the list.
>
> Martha McConaghy - ADSM list owner
>
> PS: Bob Booth - No one has prevented UIUC from resubscribing your news
> feed
>     to the list.  However, its up to you to do it, not me.  At the
> first sign
>     of trouble, it will get bounced again, just like anyone else.